paskal
08-27 01:50 PM
Please be good enough to join your state chapter
We need all members' help if we are to succeeed.
I hope to see you in DC, but there is much to do even before!
We need all members' help if we are to succeeed.
I hope to see you in DC, but there is much to do even before!
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vallabhu
01-02 11:56 AM
Is it BA with Mathematics (honors) or BSC. in Mathematics (honors). or does it say General?
If you are asking about Labor petition It said Mathematics or related feild
if you are my qualification it is BSc with Mathematics. but my trascripts say maths1,maths2, maths3, maths4 as supposed to Mathematics1,Mathematics2,Mathematics3,Mathematics 4.
which made the difference.
but provisional said Mathematics, so adjudicator got confused.
If you are asking about Labor petition It said Mathematics or related feild
if you are my qualification it is BSc with Mathematics. but my trascripts say maths1,maths2, maths3, maths4 as supposed to Mathematics1,Mathematics2,Mathematics3,Mathematics 4.
which made the difference.
but provisional said Mathematics, so adjudicator got confused.
gcadream
02-24 02:52 PM
Hi myeb2gc ,
You added lot of hope in this H1 extn process but for how long did you got ur H1 extn ?
You added lot of hope in this H1 extn process but for how long did you got ur H1 extn ?
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pgc10
02-03 01:00 PM
My lawyer advises that there's no point in sending information to USCIS unless they ask for it, or is required by law or regulations. The chances of such unsolicited information making it to your files, or being acted upon are slim to none. If you wish, you could send the AC21 information on your own. Retaining a lawyer to send this information, and paying them a few hundred bucks to do so is sheer waste of money, in my opinion. There's no guarantee that it will avoid an RFE. USCIS does not have the time or resources to process unsolicited information. You should hire a lawyer (and have them submit a G-28) if you wish to transfer your representation to a new lawyer, and tell them that they are being retained to respond to RFEs and such. This "AC21 letter" thing is something that lawyers have come up with...its not necessary, and even if it is, you can do it yourself...all you need is an employment verification letter from your new employer.
I'd like to believe that USCIS doesn't act upon such information. However, look at this guy's case.
He says he got a "response" from USCIS after filing for AC21 stating that the information he sent was now "attached" to his existing application.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23339
I'd like to believe that USCIS doesn't act upon such information. However, look at this guy's case.
He says he got a "response" from USCIS after filing for AC21 stating that the information he sent was now "attached" to his existing application.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23339
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pns27
06-28 03:26 PM
Did any one heard of EB3 India 485 Approved after June 26? Looks like EB3 visa numbers for this quarter for India is exhausted! If so then who many will be available in next quarter?
When will the 40K unused EB quota of visa numbers will be available /open? In mid September? Can any of the Gurus explain this?
My friend took info-pass and he was told that the EB3 India visa numbers are over for now and his case may be approved in next quota.
Looks like the first 40K in the 485 queue whose processing is done will get there 485�s approved in late September.
For some one like me who files 485 in June chances of approval in this year is less.:confused:
I just want to set the expectations real so that we will not be subjected to perpetual checking of online LUD/Status, forums and also avoid huge disappointment.
Pns27
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Concurrent I-140/I-485: No
PD June 2002-non-RIR
I-140 approved from NSC
I485:--
Mailed to (state NSC/TSC): NSC
Received at (state NSC/TSC): NSC
Receipt Date: 06/07/07
Notice Date: 06/22/07
FP Noticed Received on:?
When will the 40K unused EB quota of visa numbers will be available /open? In mid September? Can any of the Gurus explain this?
My friend took info-pass and he was told that the EB3 India visa numbers are over for now and his case may be approved in next quota.
Looks like the first 40K in the 485 queue whose processing is done will get there 485�s approved in late September.
For some one like me who files 485 in June chances of approval in this year is less.:confused:
I just want to set the expectations real so that we will not be subjected to perpetual checking of online LUD/Status, forums and also avoid huge disappointment.
Pns27
***********************
Concurrent I-140/I-485: No
PD June 2002-non-RIR
I-140 approved from NSC
I485:--
Mailed to (state NSC/TSC): NSC
Received at (state NSC/TSC): NSC
Receipt Date: 06/07/07
Notice Date: 06/22/07
FP Noticed Received on:?
pappu
02-18 01:06 AM
Hello Varsha and NJ chapter members,
Thank you for taking the lead with the Meet the lawmaker initiative. It is very important for our EB community to be active and vibrant on the issues that are important to us. We cannot emphasize enough the importance of meeting the lawmaker in our home states. As you already know, in campaign like ours, it is the most vibrant communities who ultimately succeed.
The real question is when would there be sufficient number of community members who would feel the need and the motivation to be vibrantly active. It is the fence sitters that we have to convince so that more number of green card applicants, suffering due to retrogression, would feel the urge to actively participate in fixing their own issues. And your act of sharing your experiences with the community about what you were able to accomplish, is a big step in the right direction to motivate others to emulate what you have been able to do. In effect, today, you helped raise the level of consciousness of the community and prompted a sizeable number of members to think and believe that they could meet the lawmakers and make the difference in this debate. I am confident that most members, who listened to your narration tonight, were convinced that they could do it too. That is the message that we have to send out so that the energies emanating from our frustration due to delays with the system, which are often times visible on IV forums, could be channelized into positive direction. We see that there are many reasons why people do not actively participate in Immigration Voice efforts. A large part of these community members could be described in two broad categories:-
(1.) Green card applicants who are totally unaware of the current situation and thus they are indifferent towards the reasoning and the depth of the problem causing delays in the system. They think that their individual applications will get approved in "few months" so there is nothing they need to do.
(2.) The victims of the retrogression come from various parts of the world.
The members who belong to this group are already disheartened with the delay of their application and have waited patiently for their turn in the line for several years. This long period of wait has made this group of people to lose faith and so they do not believe in themselves. They don't actually think that they can make any difference in this debate to facilitate anything that would change the system. Because they do not believe in themselves, these people do not also believe that others like them can do anything to change the system either. So often times they refuse to participate, not knowing that they are refusing to participate in an effort that will ultimately facilitate the change in the system.
The positive message, like the one from you on the conference call today will help more and more members to believe that they can actively participate in changing the system to change their and their families' lives. And it is this belief in our own self that will ultimately wake-up this community. I am confident that after listening to your narration on today's call, more and more members will sincerely attempt to meet their lawmakers and will educate other members about their efforts. I believe that this community has a massive potential to make the change. The only question is when would the sizable number of IV members feel motivated enough to get up to actively participate in this process to facilitate the coming change? After today's call, I believe that the answer to this question is, very soon.
Again, Thank you for actively participating in the effort and more importantly, encouraging others to participate actively. Please continue to help and motivate other members in the organization.
Regards,
Pappu on behalf of IV team
Thank you for taking the lead with the Meet the lawmaker initiative. It is very important for our EB community to be active and vibrant on the issues that are important to us. We cannot emphasize enough the importance of meeting the lawmaker in our home states. As you already know, in campaign like ours, it is the most vibrant communities who ultimately succeed.
The real question is when would there be sufficient number of community members who would feel the need and the motivation to be vibrantly active. It is the fence sitters that we have to convince so that more number of green card applicants, suffering due to retrogression, would feel the urge to actively participate in fixing their own issues. And your act of sharing your experiences with the community about what you were able to accomplish, is a big step in the right direction to motivate others to emulate what you have been able to do. In effect, today, you helped raise the level of consciousness of the community and prompted a sizeable number of members to think and believe that they could meet the lawmakers and make the difference in this debate. I am confident that most members, who listened to your narration tonight, were convinced that they could do it too. That is the message that we have to send out so that the energies emanating from our frustration due to delays with the system, which are often times visible on IV forums, could be channelized into positive direction. We see that there are many reasons why people do not actively participate in Immigration Voice efforts. A large part of these community members could be described in two broad categories:-
(1.) Green card applicants who are totally unaware of the current situation and thus they are indifferent towards the reasoning and the depth of the problem causing delays in the system. They think that their individual applications will get approved in "few months" so there is nothing they need to do.
(2.) The victims of the retrogression come from various parts of the world.
The members who belong to this group are already disheartened with the delay of their application and have waited patiently for their turn in the line for several years. This long period of wait has made this group of people to lose faith and so they do not believe in themselves. They don't actually think that they can make any difference in this debate to facilitate anything that would change the system. Because they do not believe in themselves, these people do not also believe that others like them can do anything to change the system either. So often times they refuse to participate, not knowing that they are refusing to participate in an effort that will ultimately facilitate the change in the system.
The positive message, like the one from you on the conference call today will help more and more members to believe that they can actively participate in changing the system to change their and their families' lives. And it is this belief in our own self that will ultimately wake-up this community. I am confident that after listening to your narration on today's call, more and more members will sincerely attempt to meet their lawmakers and will educate other members about their efforts. I believe that this community has a massive potential to make the change. The only question is when would the sizable number of IV members feel motivated enough to get up to actively participate in this process to facilitate the coming change? After today's call, I believe that the answer to this question is, very soon.
Again, Thank you for actively participating in the effort and more importantly, encouraging others to participate actively. Please continue to help and motivate other members in the organization.
Regards,
Pappu on behalf of IV team
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masterji
10-14 05:40 PM
I thought AP must ONLY be used for emergency travel purposes, not for vacations, brother's marriage etc. Some IV members shared their experiences at the POE, the IO may ask why you left US, what was the emergency? Please correct me if I am wrong. Can AP be used for casual travel also? Thanks.
Not a lawyer. This is not a legal advice.
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guygeek007
07-24 03:27 PM
I just received some information from my attorney today about my i-140 premium processing application that was filed on 22nd of June,2007 as indicated in the information below. The package & check were returned in the first week of July. A letter indicating the reason for remittance and return was that the labor cert. attached was a photocopy and not the original.
Now what does not make sense here is that the original labor was sent along with the original i140 application filed last year.
I called the USCIS info line and the rep. suggested that i could resend it with an explanation.
What concerns me is if i do resend it, would it be considered only after suspension of i140 premium is lifted or would it be considered as a case from last month and processed under premium.
Suggestions and advice would be appreciated.
This is my GC application history
1. PD for Labor - Aug 2003
2. Labor(Regular) Application Approved - Nov 2005
3. i-140 applied in Jan 2006
4. RFE received question was for company not self, i-140 withdrawn.
5. Transferred my H1 to the companys sister concern and reapplied for i140 in June 2006.
6. Applied for i140 premium processing on June 22nd, 2007.
Current status for i-140 : Recieved and pending at Nebraska service center.
Questions
Q1. What is i-140 receipt date for premium processing. Is it the date the fed-ex package is recvd by USCIS or is it a date issued by USCIS that should reach my lawyer?
Q2. If in case the USCIS need to provide my attorney a receipt date, we have NOT received one as yet. Does that mean they have not even looked at the application as yet?
Q3. Can i apply for i485 in the worst case that i do not receive approval for i140 by Aug 17th under the concurrent filing rule.
Any assistance would be highly appreciated.
Now what does not make sense here is that the original labor was sent along with the original i140 application filed last year.
I called the USCIS info line and the rep. suggested that i could resend it with an explanation.
What concerns me is if i do resend it, would it be considered only after suspension of i140 premium is lifted or would it be considered as a case from last month and processed under premium.
Suggestions and advice would be appreciated.
This is my GC application history
1. PD for Labor - Aug 2003
2. Labor(Regular) Application Approved - Nov 2005
3. i-140 applied in Jan 2006
4. RFE received question was for company not self, i-140 withdrawn.
5. Transferred my H1 to the companys sister concern and reapplied for i140 in June 2006.
6. Applied for i140 premium processing on June 22nd, 2007.
Current status for i-140 : Recieved and pending at Nebraska service center.
Questions
Q1. What is i-140 receipt date for premium processing. Is it the date the fed-ex package is recvd by USCIS or is it a date issued by USCIS that should reach my lawyer?
Q2. If in case the USCIS need to provide my attorney a receipt date, we have NOT received one as yet. Does that mean they have not even looked at the application as yet?
Q3. Can i apply for i485 in the worst case that i do not receive approval for i140 by Aug 17th under the concurrent filing rule.
Any assistance would be highly appreciated.
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bbenhill
01-12 01:03 PM
Its' very depressing state, I really feel bad about current state of affairs of economy...
Its' very depressing , So lets close this thread :(
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Its' very depressing , So lets close this thread :(
But gcformeornot Don't give me read for that , Nothing against you , I am giving you green
Skd, it was nice of you .. I gave you green :)
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reddymjm
03-01 01:28 PM
Hello All,
I was wondering if someone could please explain what the processing dates mean.... For Texas 485 processing date is April 2007. Does this mean they are adjucating 485 applications received in April 2007? I am confused- does this mean that anyone who applied for AOS after april 2007 will not get their GC even if their PD is current? I am just trying to understand the process. Thanks in advance!
With no sense.
I was wondering if someone could please explain what the processing dates mean.... For Texas 485 processing date is April 2007. Does this mean they are adjucating 485 applications received in April 2007? I am confused- does this mean that anyone who applied for AOS after april 2007 will not get their GC even if their PD is current? I am just trying to understand the process. Thanks in advance!
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08-08 08:51 AM
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WeShallOvercome
11-06 04:11 PM
I see that for EB2 the PD is 01 APR 2004 now. I want to know if I-485 approvals is linked to this PD date or they will work independent to these days.
Thanks,
Sury
-------------------------------
PD : Feb'07
I-140 - Pending
I-131 - Approved
I-485 - Pending
Center: TEXAS SERVICE CENTER
Recieved EAD Card and FP done.
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Poor guy/gal just asked a simple question.....
Sury, The PDs need to be current for I-485 filing AS WELL AS approval.
Thanks,
Sury
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PD : Feb'07
I-140 - Pending
I-131 - Approved
I-485 - Pending
Center: TEXAS SERVICE CENTER
Recieved EAD Card and FP done.
-------------------------------
Poor guy/gal just asked a simple question.....
Sury, The PDs need to be current for I-485 filing AS WELL AS approval.
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anurag
02-12 02:13 PM
Jonty,
But the question is how do we change it when I-485 has already been applied. Is there a form for it? Or just a letter with what details attached?
Regards,
Anurag
But the question is how do we change it when I-485 has already been applied. Is there a form for it? Or just a letter with what details attached?
Regards,
Anurag
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nirdlalegcade
02-26 12:37 PM
what if my I-485 is July 20, 2007 (it is processing), how long will it take before they can send my GC to me?
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rimzhim
06-05 10:44 PM
sledge hammer:
can you explain if the new labors being cleared in the BEC centers (approximately 150K are still pending) are from 2001-2003?
In 2003, there should be a demand of 23% of 300K (couting spouses)=69K. Total visas are about 140K per annum. So there should be some movement. i dont understand why there will be no movement.
From the numbers, I had kinda thought in Feb that it was very surprising EB-2 India was not moving, and seems like I was right.
Anyways, I hope we all continue to move :)
can you explain if the new labors being cleared in the BEC centers (approximately 150K are still pending) are from 2001-2003?
In 2003, there should be a demand of 23% of 300K (couting spouses)=69K. Total visas are about 140K per annum. So there should be some movement. i dont understand why there will be no movement.
From the numbers, I had kinda thought in Feb that it was very surprising EB-2 India was not moving, and seems like I was right.
Anyways, I hope we all continue to move :)
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smartboy75
07-09 11:00 AM
Source www.immigration-law.com
07/09/2008: USCIS Biometric Changes For Re-Entry Permits and Refugee Travel Documents 07/08/2008
USCIS has issued revised instructions for USCIS Form I-131, Application for Travel Document. The instructions include changes effective March 5, 2008 that require applicants for re-entry permits and refugee travel documents to provide biometrics (e.g., fingerprints and photographs) at a USCIS Application Support Center (ASC) for background and security checks and to meet requirements for secure travel and entry documents containing biometric identifiers.
Q. May an I-131 applicant for a re-entry permit or refugee travel document complete biometrics outside of the United States?
A. Form I-131 instructions provide guidance for certain persons who are abroad at the time of filing to visit a U.S. Embassy or consulate for fingerprinting, although all applicants are urged to file before leaving the United States. Since certain overseas offices have the discretion to accept and adjudicate applications for refugee travel documents, although it is not mandatory that they do so, an applicant for a refugee travel document may complete biometrics outside of the United States, but is encouraged to wait to travel until his or her biometrics have been collected and the document delivered. As discussed earlier, certain overseas USCIS offices may, in their discretion, adjudicate Form I-131 filed for a refugee travel document (but not re-entry permits), where the applicant has failed to apply while in the U.S. (see 8 C.F.R. � 223.2(b)(2)(ii)). However, applicants for refugee travel documents should not count on the overseas offices necessarily agreeing to adjudicate Form I-131 in all cases, particularly where it is evident that the individual could have applied while in the U.S. and attended his or her biometrics appointment. Applicants for reentry permits should attend their biometric appointment at the designated ASC. If the applicant departs the United States before the biometrics are collected, the application may be denied.
Q. Will Form I-131 re-entry permit or refugee travel document be denied if the applicant leaves the U.S. after the application has been filed and receipted but before biometrics are completed?
A. Form I-131 form instructions state, �Departure from the United States before a decision is made on an application for a Re-entry Permit usually does not affect the application. However, where biometric collection is required and the applicant departs the United States before the biometrics are collected, the application may be denied.� Travel is not advisable. If an applicant leaves and comes back, his or her application may be denied while abroad, and he or she may not be able to get back into the country. Even though an overseas USCIS office may, in its discretion, take the biometrics of an applicant for a refugee travel document, there is no guarantee that the office will necessarily exercise its discretion to do so. Therefore, USCIS again urges all I-131 applicants for whom biometrics will be required to file their applications well in advance of their scheduled departure dates. USCIS suggests applicants apply for a travel document at least 60 days prior to the date of travel.
So if we efile EAD and then 2 months down the line efile AP, do we have to go twice for biometrics ???
07/09/2008: USCIS Biometric Changes For Re-Entry Permits and Refugee Travel Documents 07/08/2008
USCIS has issued revised instructions for USCIS Form I-131, Application for Travel Document. The instructions include changes effective March 5, 2008 that require applicants for re-entry permits and refugee travel documents to provide biometrics (e.g., fingerprints and photographs) at a USCIS Application Support Center (ASC) for background and security checks and to meet requirements for secure travel and entry documents containing biometric identifiers.
Q. May an I-131 applicant for a re-entry permit or refugee travel document complete biometrics outside of the United States?
A. Form I-131 instructions provide guidance for certain persons who are abroad at the time of filing to visit a U.S. Embassy or consulate for fingerprinting, although all applicants are urged to file before leaving the United States. Since certain overseas offices have the discretion to accept and adjudicate applications for refugee travel documents, although it is not mandatory that they do so, an applicant for a refugee travel document may complete biometrics outside of the United States, but is encouraged to wait to travel until his or her biometrics have been collected and the document delivered. As discussed earlier, certain overseas USCIS offices may, in their discretion, adjudicate Form I-131 filed for a refugee travel document (but not re-entry permits), where the applicant has failed to apply while in the U.S. (see 8 C.F.R. � 223.2(b)(2)(ii)). However, applicants for refugee travel documents should not count on the overseas offices necessarily agreeing to adjudicate Form I-131 in all cases, particularly where it is evident that the individual could have applied while in the U.S. and attended his or her biometrics appointment. Applicants for reentry permits should attend their biometric appointment at the designated ASC. If the applicant departs the United States before the biometrics are collected, the application may be denied.
Q. Will Form I-131 re-entry permit or refugee travel document be denied if the applicant leaves the U.S. after the application has been filed and receipted but before biometrics are completed?
A. Form I-131 form instructions state, �Departure from the United States before a decision is made on an application for a Re-entry Permit usually does not affect the application. However, where biometric collection is required and the applicant departs the United States before the biometrics are collected, the application may be denied.� Travel is not advisable. If an applicant leaves and comes back, his or her application may be denied while abroad, and he or she may not be able to get back into the country. Even though an overseas USCIS office may, in its discretion, take the biometrics of an applicant for a refugee travel document, there is no guarantee that the office will necessarily exercise its discretion to do so. Therefore, USCIS again urges all I-131 applicants for whom biometrics will be required to file their applications well in advance of their scheduled departure dates. USCIS suggests applicants apply for a travel document at least 60 days prior to the date of travel.
So if we efile EAD and then 2 months down the line efile AP, do we have to go twice for biometrics ???
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ngopalak
10-14 11:14 PM
Thanks for the info....sounds like a good idea!....I will ask my lawyer abt this...
You can go visit India after your AP has been applied for, and you can ask your lawyer ( if you are using one ) to send the docs to you in India , so that you can come back with the new approved AP, off course you can't enter USA on an expired AP.
My lawyer has confirmed that one is only required to be present in the USA when applying and it's recommended that one is in US when it's approved, but due to the varying time USCIS is taking to process AP applications that is not a requirement and they can forward the documents to someone not in US.
You can go visit India after your AP has been applied for, and you can ask your lawyer ( if you are using one ) to send the docs to you in India , so that you can come back with the new approved AP, off course you can't enter USA on an expired AP.
My lawyer has confirmed that one is only required to be present in the USA when applying and it's recommended that one is in US when it's approved, but due to the varying time USCIS is taking to process AP applications that is not a requirement and they can forward the documents to someone not in US.
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10-13 11:00 PM
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bmoni
12-22 12:59 PM
GC_2007,
When we change employer i think we can't keep the Priority date
Its been clearly stated bolded when you change employer you will lose your 1-140 PD....any thoughts or am i misreading it.
once the alien�s Form I-140 petition has been approved, the alien beneficiary retains his or her priority date as established by the filing of the labor certification for any future Form I-140 petitions, unless the previously approved Form I-140 petition has been revoked because of fraud or willful misrepresentation. This includes cases where a change of employer has occurred; however, the new employer must obtain a new labor certification if the classification requested requires a labor certification (see
the section on successorship of interest).
(A) Determining the Priority Date. In general, if a petition is supported by an individual labor certification issued by DOL, the priority date is the earliest date upon which the labor certification application was filed with DOL. In those cases where the alien�s priority date is established by the filing of the labor certification, once the alien�s Form I-140 petition has been approved, the alien beneficiary retains his or her priority date as established by the filing of the labor certification for any future Form I-140 petitions, unless the previously approved Form I-140 petition has been revoked because of fraud or willful misrepresentation. This includes cases where a change of employer has occurred; however, the new employer must obtain a new labor certification if the classification requested requires a labor certification (see
the section on successorship of interest).
When we change employer i think we can't keep the Priority date
Its been clearly stated bolded when you change employer you will lose your 1-140 PD....any thoughts or am i misreading it.
once the alien�s Form I-140 petition has been approved, the alien beneficiary retains his or her priority date as established by the filing of the labor certification for any future Form I-140 petitions, unless the previously approved Form I-140 petition has been revoked because of fraud or willful misrepresentation. This includes cases where a change of employer has occurred; however, the new employer must obtain a new labor certification if the classification requested requires a labor certification (see
the section on successorship of interest).
(A) Determining the Priority Date. In general, if a petition is supported by an individual labor certification issued by DOL, the priority date is the earliest date upon which the labor certification application was filed with DOL. In those cases where the alien�s priority date is established by the filing of the labor certification, once the alien�s Form I-140 petition has been approved, the alien beneficiary retains his or her priority date as established by the filing of the labor certification for any future Form I-140 petitions, unless the previously approved Form I-140 petition has been revoked because of fraud or willful misrepresentation. This includes cases where a change of employer has occurred; however, the new employer must obtain a new labor certification if the classification requested requires a labor certification (see
the section on successorship of interest).
jthomas
06-10 12:30 PM
we should fax/email letters to lawmakers/senators from every angle. One way of doing this would be drafting a letter with the calculation and a quote " Just for Indians, and chinese nationality for rest of the world = 1year"
We should be attacking in each and every angle so they get used to reading our issues and would come with a solution.
MAKE A NOISE
We should be attacking in each and every angle so they get used to reading our issues and would come with a solution.
MAKE A NOISE
senthil1
06-11 05:35 PM
There may be two observations in this.
1. They may try to bring CIR one more time and pass in Senate or
2.They will make alive CIR talks till this year end. This will make sure that other piece meal bills like Skil, Agricultural jobs bill will not be brought for debate till CIR is alive
Second case is the best bet for numbersusa, alipac etc.
1. They may try to bring CIR one more time and pass in Senate or
2.They will make alive CIR talks till this year end. This will make sure that other piece meal bills like Skil, Agricultural jobs bill will not be brought for debate till CIR is alive
Second case is the best bet for numbersusa, alipac etc.
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